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« on: August 06, 2009, 01:53:32 AM »

I have an opportunity to try breeding from good honest Brazilian/Shamo stock and was wondering what will be the results.  The Brazilian is body hitter that is on top.  The Shamo is more of a Kneck head hunter.

Has anyone her have experience with these naked/boxing type follow crossed on American style fowl.  Is it best to breed to the cock or hen.  They are very high station and the cock is 6 lbs and hens 4.5 - 5 lbs.

Any comments would be appreciated.
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« Reply #1 on: September 21, 2009, 02:44:28 PM »

hi..there are bigtime breeder have good record with them, specially the brazilian asil...they crosses  and graded down to 1/4 blood....one kasabong who love to fight them is Mr Glenn Lim...provably you can ask him about crossing the brazilian...

do you mined to post some piture of you brazilian fowl...

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« Reply #2 on: September 21, 2009, 02:47:41 PM »

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« Reply #3 on: September 23, 2009, 02:09:03 AM »

I will try to get some pictures downloaded this weekend.  I really like the way these birds act.  I dont think I have ever had more gentle birds in hand than these.
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« Reply #4 on: September 23, 2009, 02:52:57 AM »

Here's a post made by Edwin of IslandRonin way way back that I collected because I'm an Asil fan. Hope this answers your question.

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"Most people, myself included, who breed Asil grades start by breeding an Asil cock over an American speed hen, the reason being that stags take many of their traits from their mother in theory making Asil sired offspring faster than those mothered by an Asil hen.

So, is breeding Grades using a Asil hen first wrong? Absolutely not. I know several well known Asil grade breeders who do just that. I chose to breed from Asil cocks most of the time, but this does not make it the "right" way to breed grades, not by a long shot.

I have used Asil hens to breed grades. I use hens when I am breeding broodfowl, not battlefowl. Asil blood adds cut and intelligence among other things. One of my favorite breeding formula's for breeding battlefowl is Power over Speed. By using an Asil hen with a Power type cock I can breed a power bird with brains and cut. The stags from this mating will be used as I would a "pure" Oriental cock for breeding grades, even if they are in actuality only 1/2 Asil in breeding. Because they are more Oriental in traits, (taking their traits from their Mom) they become ideal for breeding the Power side of the Power over speed system.

The American Power blood will normally add speed to the Oriental blood giving the final result even more speed than when using an Asil cock over speed hen. These 1/2 grades may not be as good as the 1/2's that were sired by an Asil cock as battlefowl, but they do have value as Broodfowl.

The latest experiment I have made was breeding some of my Asil hens to my main White Broodcock. As I suspected, the White color trait proved dominant resulting in all white offspring. I have never found a steel game strain of White orientals, so I created one.

The best will be bred to my speed lines for battlefowl next year. Hopefully I will get good battlecrosses, and if they come out White, that will be a bonus.

I have bred this type of cross in the past using my GL blood. 1/2 grades were bred both ways, and I have seen with my own eyes that stags sired by an Asil cock are very different to those sired by an American cock, even if they are from the same exact bloodlines.

So breeding from Asil hens can be very beneficial. Like everything else in breeding Gamefowl, you'll never know until you try.   Edwin"

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« Reply #5 on: October 24, 2009, 08:54:35 PM »

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