Light Boned Gamefowls

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[Tahor]

The following must have been a letter written to the Editor of Grit and Steel. The Author's note following the letter could be Mr. Johnson's note but then it could be the Editior's note. As you can see there was a bit of confusion about the breeding of the Clarets even then. Some may have gotten the idea (as I have) that Madigin may have engineered the confusion. From Johnson's History of Game Strains Concerning Clarets By: C. C. Crenshaw I notice in Grit and Steel that many are advertising "pure Madigin Clarets" from many parts of the nation. There is a question in my mind now and has been for some time as to just where and when they got this blood. I am talking about the good old time blood now, as Mr. Madigin has said (I quote from the Oct., 1937 Grit and Steel)," I have many letters of inquiry concerning those who advertise Clarets. I have never sold a Claret. I have only given away a few cocks; no hens. I raise them all at Ft. Erie and there alone and the only way anyone has to get them is to steal them, of course, all who walk them for me have one half blood and if they inbreed them, can get them, but they are useless when inbred. I only want to give you an insight into the methods of those who profess to have pure Clarets." Author's note: Concerning above, it is now an established fact that Madigin did give away hens to several different men. As for what Mr. Madigin has to say about those walking cocks for him having only one half the Claret blood and not being able to get more except by inbreeding: If a man bred from a Claret stag or cock walked for Madigin and then bred the stags and pullets form him together that would be inbreeding but would not increase the percent of Claret blood. Madigin always asked me not to return blinkers or broke billed cocks, etc. I always killed these as I did not want to breed them and did not think I had a right to fight them. But anyone walking cocks for Madigin who wanted to breed them could breed said battered cock year after year back over his daughters until soon they would be seven/eighth or fifteen/sixteenth his blood (and likewise that percent of Claret blood). However this would be line breeding rather than inbreeding. A man could breed from a different stag or cock (from Madigin for purpose of walking) each year over the pullets out of the stag or cock bred the preceding year. Regardless of the definition you give inbreeding, you will realize that such a man can not possibly be inbreeding any closer that Madigin himself. R.L. Sanders bred from Madigin's Clarets until his are thirty/one thirty/second Claret blood. I can not understand a man having the great amount of intelligence required to become the success Mr. Madigin was making such a statement in writing as above.

[Oplod]

I agree with this writing....However, If we are breeding for a bloodline or Pedigree then that may be the case.  In my opinion---pure Claret doesn't guarantee a sure winner.  In fact we are just infusing them to Hatch so that we may break the rusher attitude and improve the style of fighting.  The Claret we are using is a Perry Claret we are not claiming that it is pure, but we are sure that from that line it carries the characteristic and traits that when we cross--- it predominantly throws the desirable traits we need. If it does produces a throw back we can pin point where it came from---and the most important is... the offspring is predictable.

Isn't it, that all the breed are infusions of different kind of strains?  We all know that Walter Kelso has a lot of strain which comprises his line, same as Duke Hulsey, and Sweater Mc Guinnes.  The most abused word in sabong today is the word "pure". It is often related to "good price" or "salesmanship".  Even Mr. Madigin uses the word pure to describe the breeding stock of his  battle cross, which is in fact a crosses too.

[BULIK-DOM]

walter kelso bought fowls as far as i know, a rich man who never been a full time breeder himself...whatever CLARETS are made off today, they are as destructive and deadly as ever...

[undaunted mettle]

walter kelso bought fowls as far as i know, a rich man who never been a full time breeder himself...whatever CLARETS are made off today, they are as destructive and deadly as ever...

up ko lang to...kasi may clarets din ako na hindi ko alam yung origin nito, pero ang ika garantiya ko na lahat na straight clarets ko ay maganda ang timing at yung  cutting ability nila ay super talaga.isang paluan lang patay na yung kalaban.pero hindi ako nag pa fight ng straight breed claret kasi doubtful ako sa kanilang gameness kaya sa akin ay 1/2 claret 1/4 sweater at laging may 1/4 hatch.sample lang po ito sa 3 way crosses ko.just my 2 cents.

[Rod_Colegado]

I heard from a reliable source about this Bloodline..
these guys from ARIZONA won't sell a feather and his clarets comes out RED, GREY & WHITE.. they fought their birds in Mexico with great success... just wishing I could have touch them.. ayaw kc namang magbenta..hwaaaaaaa (

Rod_Colegado

[Black Thunder]

i heard clarets are good cutting gamefowl,i never seen one in person,can you guys(sir's)post a fix of a pure clarets here,,,thanks

[undaunted mettle]

i heard clarets are good cutting gamefowl,i never seen one in person,can you guys(sir's)post a fix of a pure clarets here,,,thanks

if you notice in my avatar a white rooster that is my version of my white clarets.. that is a special rooster to me because it won clean 3x, 2x in hackfights and 1x in derby.

[Black Thunder]

thanks kakmeyt undaunted..

[conrad]

mga kasabong musta kayo lahat dyan....mukhang maganda itong topic natin ngayon dito about claret, makisilip lang mga kakmeyt!!!! hehehe

[undaunted mettle]

mga kasabong musta kayo lahat dyan....mukhang maganda itong topic natin ngayon dito about claret, makisilip lang mga kakmeyt!!!! hehehe

tuloy po kayo sir.. conrad

[conrad]

hehehe....dito ka pala sir mettle? whew..., naku ang ganda talaga ng avatar mo na yan, ano ba bay meron ka bang bagong pasibol nyan, hehehe!!!

[undaunted mettle]

sir conrad

salamat sa pag appreciate sir.ngayun darating na breeding season target ko po makapagpalabas ng atleast 15 na ganyan and i hope na lalaki silang healthy.

[conrad]

cgi bay...wait ko nyan na time para maka subok nyan sa nokis mo...hehehe

[undaunted mettle]

pag mayroon tayung maipalabas  pwede manan po itong i share..

[kidmack]

Good day kakmeyts. ., white clarets, isa ito sa gusto ko bloodline, maganda pala ang cutting ability nito. Mga kakmeyts ask ko lang kung sinong sikat na local breeders dito sa atin ang may magagaling na white clarets??thank you.

[ricekiller]

sir conrad

salamat sa pag appreciate sir.ngayun darating na breeding season target ko po makapagpalabas ng atleast 15 na ganyan and i hope na lalaki silang healthy.

gwapong gwapo nga sir yang nasa avatar mo...nag hahanap din ako ng white claret, kaso bihira sya saka yung ibang naita ko, di ganyan kaganda sa avatar mo

[undaunted mettle]

sir conrad

salamat sa pag appreciate sir.ngayun darating na breeding season target ko po makapagpalabas ng atleast 15 na ganyan and i hope na lalaki silang healthy.

gwapong gwapo nga sir yang nasa avatar mo...nag hahanap din ako ng white claret, kaso bihira sya saka yung ibang naita ko, di ganyan kaganda sa avatar mo

salamat sir sa pag appreciate...on nasa paghahanda pa ulit ako sa aking mga materials para sa breeding season wala na sa akin yung nasa avatar ko ngayun sir nabili na.

[topram]

bro.kidmack kung interesado ka sa white claret ung partner ko may mga white claret cia...PM mo na lang ako bro. thanks happy cocking......   

[ricekiller]

bro.kidmack kung interesado ka sa white claret ung partner ko may mga white claret cia...PM mo na lang ako bro. thanks happy cocking......   

sir topram,m pa saw saw na rin kasi interested din ako sa white claret...nag sent na ako ng Pm sayo...tnx

[topram]

Bro ricekiller,nag send na din ako ng PM sau... paki check na lang tnx....Good pm sa lahat!

[Bk_1]

Mtagal na ata itong post buhayin ko lng ulit

can any body here post some inputs about the griffin clarets and thier composition wether it is pure or cross
ive seen a lot of fights in wsd which the araneta are using and i am amazed of thier abilities,
a one time puncher and a sure hitter they realy do know when to hit their opponent
 
                     bk1

[Rod_Colegado]

Bro Bk_1,

That's right.. Griffin Clarets are cross breed.. pinatining lang ang bloodline and actually there were 5 families on these bloodline. The "New Blood", Powder Puff, Pipeliners, Perfection at yong isa... hanapin ko pa at nawaglit sa isip ko.. Some of these families were stop and some were continued for one reason or another... abangan mo lang at isa-isahin natin dito yan ngayong interesado ka pala sa bloodline na 'to..

Rod_Colegado